Let me tell you a story, a true story, about one of my online experiences while playing Injustice: Gods Among Us that actually inspired me to write this. My wife and I were just sitting on the couch the other night; she was playing Super Mario Bros. 2 on her DS, so I decided to play a few rounds of Injustice: Gods Among Us. After three matches in a row against cheesers (in the gaming world, a cheeser is a person who repeatedly performs the same moves in fighting games in order to win), I decided to play just one more match and then call it quits.
This is when my rage really began. My opponent wasn't only a cheeser, but he was a cheeser with a microphone that knew he was cheesing. He selected The Joker, and I chose Nightwing for a change of pace. For the entire match, he stood on the opposite side of the screen and just kept shooting me, and shooting me, and shooting me until he was victorious; I didn't even have a chance. Clearly, he left his dignity at the door. And, to make matters more enraging, he did so while talking on the mic, saying, “I'm just going to apologize in advance for how I'm going to win. People say that I don't play fair.” Umm, okay dude.
My overall record is 208 wins and 104 losses, so it isn't like I'm the worst player in the world. Like many others, I do have a character which I favor heavily: Ares. But, I'm no cheeser. I play to win, of course, but I also play to have fun, which I also envision my opponent attempting to do. Unfortunately, Ares isn't the best character to play as if you want to win, which I quickly learned after playing Injustice: Gods Among Us for a week or so. The best characters for winning are the easiest ones to cheese with: The Joker, Deathstroke, Green Lantern, or Scorpion.
My record with Ares is 102 wins and 55 losses, making my win percentage 65%; not too shabby. I briefly went on a cheesing spree with Deathstroke and won 15 out of 17 matches in a row for an 88% win percentage. I immediately felt guilty, and I no longer use Deathstroke (he also can shoot endlessly from one side of the screen).
I'd like to think that fighting with any character in Injustice: Gods Among Us is an art, and with practice comes perfection. Or, at least that's what I thought until I noticed the blatant cheesing by many players online. Many gamers are just in it to win it, no matter how much fun the game actually is, or in this case, isn't. With Joker and Deathstroke, I know that my opponent is likely going to stay on the opposite side of the screen from me and just keep shooting their guns. But probably more frustrating than those two is Green Lantern's ring throwing maneuver. It is impossible to win against a seasoned Green Lantern user, as he will throw you twice to begin a long combo, wait until you get up, and then do the exact same thing over and over again until your health bar is depleted. And then, there's one of the newbies to Injustice: Scorpion. Scorpion does this incredibly obnoxious morph where he flies out of the right of the screen and then immediately flies back into the left side of the screen to begin a combo. And, this morphing can be done over and over and over again.
The amount of cheesing that occurs online in Injustice: Gods Among Us is almost so unbearable that I want to put my game on eBay and just be done with it, but I can't do that, because aside from the cheesers, there are some fun-loving and highly skilled opponents, such as myself, still online. I've encountered numerous players that I've re-matched more than once because they were a truly talented player that provided a challenge (without cheesing), and our exchanges were back-and-forth. Those types of players are the reason I continue to play Injustice.
I know what a lot of you will say: “It's a part of the game, so why shouldn't I use it?” Well, because you should be a respectable and honorable fighter, that's why! Players should fight like they would in a real fight. Granted, you won't be habdoukening or shroyukening your way to victory in a real fight, but my point is that an honorable man would fight fairly. An honorable man wouldn't repeatedly throw a fist of sand in his opponent's eyes for victory, would he? No. He'd put his fists up, and find another way to win.
NetherRealm should have put some sort of voting system in place to punish the cheesers somehow. Instead, cheesers are rewarded with easy W's.
This isn't me being a sore loser or a poor sport. I'm just another frustrated gamer who spent $60 on Injustice but is stuck with prominent cheesers stealing my wins from me. So, I'm asking all Injustice players to stop the cheesing. Forget your cheesing ways and learn some true strategy. Think about how much fun you're not having by just repeatedly spamming a gun shot, and how much fun you're taking away from your opponent.
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Just block and dash. Work your way in. People that lose to that or abuse that are generally not the best players.
NOthing to see here folks just a scrub venting!
Yeah, it's pretty clear that you aren't trying. Moves aren't supposed to work again and again unless you let them.
"NetherRealm should have put some sort of voting system in place to punish the cheesers somehow."
Or they could just expect the players to learn the game and not fall victim to easily worked-around tactics.
You are "highly skilled" yet you can't block Green Lantern's lift on wake-up. Hold Back To Block. Punish unsafe moves that are whiffed or blocked. Joker's gunshot is really bad. You can just dash and duck it over and over.
Dude the problem isn't "cheesing" as you say the problem is that you suck and aren't good at the game. Jokers gunshot is slow and high you can just duck and dash in. Stop writing articles friend, your stupidity levels are too high.
What the hell is a "cheeser"? Someone please translate, I don't speak scrub.
lol scrub on a soap box.
Perfect pairing: Lots of "Cheese" with all that "Whine".
another jew complaining. ...
If projectiles are the best way to win (which they aren't btw as you can block and dodge), why would one individual trying to win change it's ways for "Strategy". Wouldn't it be actual strategy to abuse the rules set by the game and not the players themselves in order to win?
"But it's not fun spamming over and over" Guess what, if I win I'm having fun. If you get pissed off as to how I win against you by using the same move over and over again, than it makes it even more fun. If the strategy was failproof, it'd be dumb. Since it's not you are just getting outplayed by simplicity.
If you are trying to play a real fight and win, these are the rules. If the developer really wanted to do something about it, they could have done something like you said, AKA allow people to play by their own rules.
It's not something that's fun to accept, but in a game where one can win and the other lose, any rule set by the game is fair play. You don't want to accept it? Fair enough, but don't claim you are trying to win and don't complain if you lose to stuff you don't accept and that don't follow your made up set of "Honorable play"
Learn to block scrub.
lol you are just bad at the game. quit playing and learn to adapt
nerf? no
buff? no
patch? no
adapt.
While certain mechanics may seem unfair, most games are balanced around all the moves. Injustice, in fact, is patched regularly. What you may see as cheap/repetitive, when approached correctly is actually unsafe/predictable. Once you get your spacing and movement down, you'll see that anyone who only does 1 move over and over is an easy read. Deathstroke is indeed very good at zoning, and he has been toned down, but I wouldn't say he is broken or unfair--frustrating perhaps. Good luck, have fun in your endeavors.
"This isn't me just being a sore loser or a poor sport."
Yes it step up your game scrub.
just take your loss lmao
The only broken and unfair thing in the game for the most part is Superman. If you lost to a Joker that cheeses then you are just bad. Good thing Combofiend (Someone who actually plays fighters professionally) is working at Capcom now that way we don't get idiots who have 0 idea how to play asking for nerfs/buffs. Also a good Green Lantern will teach you what it means to not jump in a fighter and if you are getting ring grabbed on wake up that is you not blocking. By the way if you block the ring grab from close up you can punish it. As for Scorpion teleport, in this game you can block by holding down so all you have to do is hold down when he teleports. There is nothing unfair about zoning because it IS part of the game. It is part of the mechanics of a character and is a part of there tool set. If you have it then use it.
Winning 65% of the time doesn't mean you understand why you lost the other 45%. I can understand where Robert is coming from because, face it, getting zoned out is frustrating when you don't know what you SHOULD be doing. Zoning in Injustice has been good since the beginning and interactables can often just exacerbate this as they do a ton of damage. So it will never surprise me that the #1 tactic online is to zone your opponent to death. Okay, so with that new-found understanding, why aren't you going in ready to deal with zoning? If I had to guess from reading this, it's that you, Robert, aren't 100% sure of how to deal with zoning.
I'm quite disgusted at the comments below as the most they have offered to the conversation are "Stop playing scrub"... I'm pretty sure where a lot of them are complaining though was that your fuel to write this came from losing to a Joker with Nightwing who really beats out Joker's gunshot with his pole stance projectile (ground slam). So, what I can hopefully offer is to say, most projectiles are high (whiff crouching) so duck them to avoid chip damage, and check out http://testyourmight.com/forum... as they're the biggest site that I know of for Injustice. Stay calm and don't let zoning do what it's meant to do and that is to frustrate you into taking damage you shouldn't have because you're trying to get in. If you want your opponent to change tactic, show them their tactic doesn't work. As soon as Joker fires, duck and as soon as the bullet is past you do Nightwing's pole slam and show them that it won't work; control the match.
I wish you the best of luck in surviving a hurdle many newer players have to be eaten alive by and that is venting on the internet, only to be told it's your own fault. Take the loss, hold that L, and come back stronger. :)
There is no such thing as a cheeser. There is such a thing as someone who sucks. If someone does the same move and is winning, you're doing something WRONG.
Yo Anime has spoken #KyoukoArmy
You want to know something funny? The winner of CEO 2013 wasn't a Scorpion player, despite many players using him. It was someone using Green Arrow.
Cammy is regarded as a top-tier character in SF4AE, yet at Evo 2013 top 8, there were no Cammy players, because most of them got taken out by a Makoto player. The player who got 1st place is a Gen user, and the 2nd place finisher used Akuma, who is also top-tier.
Somebody learned how to get past the "cheesing" and powerful tactics, so why can't you? If you're as skilled as you claim to be, then you shouldn't be losing to one-trick ponies, and you certainly wouldn't be making up excuses.
Pack It Up Scrub
thank you for your points above. i will try with nightwing...sounds like a good strategy to take.
thank you
Ok OP, I understand your frustration and it's a common complaint...but a common complaint that is not valid. When people complaining about spamming (AKA cheesing) it's actually your fault, why? In a fighting game typically there is an answer, maybe not a counter but a way to get past it or invalidate. If you constantly put yourself in a scenario that makes this tactic effective, you are not adapting or responding correctly. At this point the opponent in fact should repeat this tactic, because it is the optimal counter to what you're doing. IF you are being lamed out you need to stop and think of what can i do to stop the cycle? Is their a counter? Can I move in slowly? Are their places i can stand that make it not effective.
You are likely letting it beat you. Sure some of these are tedious to beat, but even Superman and Deathstroke are beatable doing this all day. Always ask why you lost. It is not the games fault. Please reconsider your article.
- a member of numerous competitive FGs
"My overall record is 208 wins and 104 losses, so it isn't like I'm the worst player in the world." And yet you lost to a one-button Joker? Learn to beat this stuff and the ranked matchmaking will stop pitting you against it, problem solved.
Salt Among Us
You lost to a Joker with Nightwing?
LOL
BTW - WELCOME TO ONLINE PLAY.
"Should be ashamed of themselves"
Wow man... lol. This just goes to show how people who can't find answers for strategies end up rationalizing in their own heads that it's their opponents "honor" that is making them lose.
Really sad.
Can't believe someone with the power to write an article on this site could just post something like this when they themselves are in the dark about the finer aspects about the game.
in another universe jason is weeping lol! but joker vs nightwing seems canon
Literally the worst thing I have ever read.
Wow, I usually don't see YouTube comments being posted as actual articles! Good job!
"in the gaming world, a cheeser is a person who repeatedly performs the same moves in fighting games in order to win" I'm sure you didn't get this terminology from anybody who actually plays fighting games regularly. The only terminology that can be applied to one of the players in this match is "scrub", which is a person who doesn't want to learn, but rather believes that any strategy that they can't beat easily is "cheap".
There is one scrub in these matches that you lost, and here's a hint: it's not the guy who won.
Also, some insight:
Nightwing has the advantage in the matchup against Deathstroke and Joker at the highest level.
Joker is generally considered to be one of the bottom 8 characters in the game by most tournament players.
Joker, Deathstroke, and Scorpion aren't even close to being the best in the game.
(Green Lantern could be considered the best of the 4 you named, but even he is well known to not be as good as about 5 others)
I can't get over how fucking terrible this is.
Adapt? No.
DA BEACH.
I wouldn't be sad if you got hit by a bus.
65+45 = 110%
1) Ares is high-tier
2) Ares is the best anti-zoning character
3) Joker Gun will whiff if you block low, then you simply have to dash forward and get in/use teleport or whatever works man.
4) There is no such thing as an abuse in this, in Fighting Games everything has a counter, if you know what the Joker will do next, you can Counter it.
5) Fighting Games are not scrub-friendly, if you refuse to learn then, GTFO.
LOL
A bit much eh? He didn't know any better. I'm sure he'll look up ways to counter some things now.
You seem to have no clue how fighting games work. Look up the Domination 101 articles by Seth Killian and start forgetting your silly little made up rules about what dignity means in a fight!
This may be the scrubbiest fuckin' article on the internet. This has to be some some kind of parody. Holy fuck...
there are some fun-loving and highly skilled opponents, SUCH AS MYSELF, still online.
>Write an article complaining about "cheesing"
>Name self as highly skilled
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
l2p
The best characters for winning are the easiest ones to cheese with: The Joker.
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''I didn't even have a chance.''
Because you don't know how to play.
''Clearly, he left his dignity at the door.''
You did by writing this article.
''I play to win, of course''
If you really played to win, you would practice instead of whining.
''there are some fun-loving and highly skilled opponents, such as myself''
No, you are not highly skilled, stop thinking that, you don't know how to play and rather blame the game and other higher skilled players than yourself.
''This isn't me being a sore loser or a poor sport.''
Yes you're, it's just that you're in denial because you think you're actually good at the game when most likely you're just another casual player, of those who think they deserve victory without practice.
This is literally the worst game-related article I've ever read. You claim yourself to be skilled, yet you don't even understand the fundamental workings of a game you are playing. Every game has zoners. Sagat, Peacock, Hawkeye, Guile, Deathstroke, the list goes on. I'm not going to insult you or tell you how much you suck - even if it would be relevant - but this article is literally just a drawn-out version of ragequit messages you'd get from young teenagers on Xbox live. Please, tell me this is the first fighting game you've ever played?
I can't believe you're really trying to indignantly wag your finger at people who are actually PLAYING the game. These "cheesers" are doing what they have to to reach the inherent goal of the game which is to freaking win, and you're here writing about how they're wrong because their playstyle isn't "honorable"?
Yeah, no. Get lost with your BS soapbox nonsense. Who are you to dictate how others should play the game THEY spent money on? Come to terms with your suck, don't cover it up, don't sugar coat it, don't twist your own words.
You suck. That's all there is to it.
I'm not gonna jump in this jackass festival, but I'll instead say this:
It's pretty poor form for you to get mad at people throwing out projectiles. If they were truly mindlessly doing that, they'd be easy to be.
Joker isn't top tier; he's near the bottom. If you really, truly have a problem with zoning characters and Ares doesn't do the trick for you, try Raven. She's pretty acutely equipped to deal with people throwing out bullets and lazers like morons.
Learn how to block... as in Hold back if you are too lazy to do the tutorial! Seriously, you are ranting about being skilled and having good stratagy, if that was true, you could take these guys out extremely easily!
this article is just fucking Pitiful.
You should sell the game on ebay. You suck
This guy is clearly trolling everyone with this article and the entire comment section jumped on it hard.
Only losers complain about "cheesers", only scrubs unable to adapt write bloated articles venting about how you can't. It's like it's 1994 and this guy is complaining about the horrors of tick throws..
Go into training mode and select your character and then a character to practice against. Hit start to enter the training menu and scroll and then select AI options. At the top, you can hit RB on xbox or I believe R1 on playstation to scroll to Record. Now exit back out of the menu and into your training session. You should now be controlling your opponent and you should see a red bar across the middle of the screen, which is letting you know you are recording. This mode allows you to replicate any sort of moves you are having trouble with (now it's spamming, if you practice and improve, it will soon enough be blocking certain low-overhead combo strings) and then hit the on-screen command to stop recording so that you can then practice dealing with the recorded moves for as long as you would like. I hope that is clear enough and that you give it a shot. I really wanted to post something more like most of the previous comments, but I feel like they pretty much covered everything.
Learn the game scrub.
you need help, i wanna play you with the joker cause i want you to lose your job
“I'm just going to apologize in advance for how I'm going to win. People say that I don't play fair.”
This never happened
"Robert is our head geek who can definitely geek out. He thoroughly enjoys all things video gaming related, Zombie slaying and preparing for apocalyptic survival. And craft beer (keyword there: craft)."
I refuse to believe this guy is trolling with this article and is genuinely unaware that video games can be beaten.
Fuck off back to League of Legends you casual scrub, Fighting games are clearly to hard for you
In the FGC, a popular motto is "Play to win." You mention how players should fight like they would in a real fight. In a real fight, its either you or them getting hurt, so you take any measure to make sure that its them not you. Groin kicks, hair pulling, throat punching, eye gouging, all that is available. The problem is that just because you dont do it doesn't necessarily mean the other person will follow.
Scrub Talk 101: when you're too incompetent to learn the game, call it cheap (or "cheese" if you will). What a terrible article.
If you press pause once during an offline match you might be surprised to learn that ares can teleport. This article was worse than Yahtzee's inane ramblings, and people should try learning how to play games or at least what genre they're playing before forming any kind of opinion on the subject.
Lol what a scrub.
Wah I suck so much at his game, wah I cannot learn how to block. Shut it man, I am just guessing but you probably lose to street fighter players who just throw fireballs.
Don't use "casual" as an insult please. He's a scrub and he'd be one even if not a casual gamer.
I don't even... How did I manage that???
for you article writer:
Strongly suggest you read the whole thing. Especially the last half.
insomnia (dot) ac/commentary/domination_101/on_cheapness/
i hope whoever wrote this article loses his job for being a scrub
You can lead a scrub to knowledge, but you can't make him learn. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if this scrub thinks throws are cheap as well.
Actually, you're lazy and not taking the time to get better. These strategies are all beatable
This is nothing but a story of salt and tears. Do you think you've cried enough yet? If you were decent, let alone what you call "good," you wouldn't have "not been able to do anything" as Nightwing. Does your honor matter when you are dead? You can die with it. You play by a set of rules that doesn't exist and expect others to play by it too. You must have been one of the kids growing up whose mother told the other kids to let you win.
He's probably counting his singleplayer wins, which are also visible in the playercard.
The sodium levels here are off the charts!
I bet when you were a kid, and your friends were all sitting around drinking juiceboxes, after they were all done you were still the kid trying to figure out how to get the straw in the juicebox. Dumbass
learn to adapt fagget.
Is this a joke?
You are a highly skilled opponent?
No, you aren't. As a matter of fact, from what you described in your "article" (which is nothing more than whining), it's obvious that you suck at the game, and nothing more than a casual player that hasn't got into the most advanced aspects of the game.
And then you ask other players to play in a way that doesn't displease you or else you will sell your game?
How can a moron with a childish attitude like yours even have a wife?
"there are some fun-loving and highly skilled opponents, such as myself"...
Lol if you made this entire article, this statement is invalid. And if you use the word spam, then bro you shouldn't be giving opinions on fighting games and pass them off as knowledgeable, cause you clearly know nothing about them. I mean if you can't beat Joker, who right know is vying for a spot to be the worst character in the game along with Shazam, again i say, you know nothing Jon snuuuh!
And please do the community a favor, sell it on ebay. Just one hatemail sending sore loser less i have to deal with.
I hope you get fired for this dumbass article.